There is very little original thought on display in golf instruction, and the truth is that every morsel of such originality is eventually taken by those who are looking for ideas and used for their own benefit. In some cases the ideas are paraphrased to make it seem that they weren’t borrowed, and in other cases the owner of the original thought is credited for the information, which is, of course, the more honest way to do things. There are other instances in which information is blatantly plagiarized and no credit is given, which is what I believe is on display in this video. The irony here is that Chamblee took great pains to disparage me and my teaching methods in our little Facebook dustup last year, referring to me as a nobody (“I don’t know who you are or what you do”) who sat in a dark room drawing lines. How interesting that here we see Chamblee using the exact same technology, drawing the same pictures (oh, he uses dots instead of lines – see “paraphrasing” at the top of the page), and incorporating my ideas on hand path (which I introduced in my videos “Right Arm Action”, “Hogan’s Secret” and an entire video regarding it – “Hand Movement From the Top of the Swing: A Look at the Top 20 Golf Players in the World Rankings”) without giving me any credit and Brandel probably watched on Youtube in the many videos I have done on Tiger and other Tour pros regarding hand path.
The more I watch Chamblee the more I realize that he will do anything to fill up the space he is required to fill up by his network and that he will try to make it as controversial and/or intelligent sounding as he can in any way possible. The result is a wildly inconsistent view of the same subject matter, most notably Tiger’s swing, which to Brandel is terrible when he doesn’t win and great when he does. It is a model of expediency, and I would fully expect that someday Chamblee will run for political office, where his particular talents could be fully realized.
Chamblee on Tiger’s Hand Path: Borrowing from a Great Source
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My first thought when I saw Brandel’s analysis earlier was “Man, Brandel has been watching Wayne D videos” It is actually great that they are watching your videos because they might actually learn something which will make their analysis more accurate. Of course you should have been given credit for the idea. I think Peter Kostis understands now that compressing into the ground in the downswing and using the ground is a good thing, and all the great ballstrikers all do it. And that is because he has been listening to you, you are single single handedly making the golf announcers smarter, you deserve props for that
Keep up the good work Wayne!
Are you thinking about doing another analysis of Tiger at Doral? I’d really like to see that, or maybe his swing has not really changed since his first win at Torrey.
Maybe it goes without saying which is why no one has said it but…
$*#! this guy. The nerve he has to rip off Wayne D material after what he said in the facebook debate is astounding. Class act.
I’m a teaching pro myself and I’m plagued by wordsmiths (sociopaths) who are brilliant talkers, while saying absolutely nothing. They’re a ‘rattle snake in my pocket’ (Hogan, circa 1950). Hammer them hard buddy, you’re a voice of reason.
Interesting to note…Sean Foley actually said that the reason he was practicing his over the top move was because he was hitting a lot of low stingers…His angle of attack was like 9 degrees down…this puts his path automatically at least 4.5 degrees inside out…he therefore was rehearsing moving his swing direction more left to straighten out his ball flight…for anyone who understands the ball flight laws the more down you hit the more inside out your swing becomes…so for anyone who thinks that he rehearses the over the top move to hit cuts it’s actually not true…
I have seen a lot of Carl Petterson in person who is a known “over the top” guy while also drawing the ball…his path face combination along with his angle of attack help him draw the ball despite what would appear to be an outward hand movement…as always Wayne you’re right on point…It’s the reason why Trackman is so important…not necessarily owning one for 25k but understanding how and why the ball flies the way it does…
This ‘hands out’ move and ‘over the top’ rehearsal have been around for years but it’s taken Shambles a helluva long time to find it or borrow it.
I read Tom Watson’s recent book where he claims he didn’t consider himself a good ball striker until after he won all his majors. He claims he was hitting a lot of blocks and slices and one day he decided to try hitting the ball with Corey Pavin’s rehearsal swing. This got him hitting it straighter and swinging more around as opposed to down the line. This later led him to believe that his secret was maintaining a consistent spine angle or overness through the swing. I am not 100% convinced about this as you can still block it from a consistent spine angle, but obviously he felt that worked for him.
Many years ago, I had a lesson from an old pro in Australia called Brian Crafter. (Father of Jane Crafter who used ot play the LPGA Tour).
Once a player had the basics, he used to advocate a fine-tuning method while practising. If your shot pattern was to the right, he would tell you to keep the same stance and try to hit a few pulls left of target. I think this had the same effect as the over the top rehearsal.
So the concept of getting the hands coming out toward the ball is not new, but I had not seen any technical analysis of this until I saw it right here.
Asher you are wrong Carl’s angle of attack does not help him to draw the ball, the angle of attack does not affect the spin axis on a shot. The only thing that affects the spin axis on a shot is the face and path combination and where you strike the ball on the face. Remeber that you cannot see the path on video, so if it appears that someone is swinging out to in with an iron on video, that might not need to be the case.
Ivan,
I respectfully disagree.
The amount one swings down or up on a ball has a direct relation to the path. More down makes a swing more in to out and vice versa. It’s the reason why someone can look over the top on video and actually be drawing the ball.
I’m very aware of the ball flight laws and gear effect that you’re describing. What you’re missing is that his AoA directly effects his path, so although face and path are responsible for start line and curve, AoA has a large effect on path itself. And as I’m sure you know the more “path” there is in relation to the face the more the spin axis will tilt.
I think you should learn a little more about swing direction/ horizontal swing plane. It may give you a better understanding of the bottom half of the swing.
We know face and path are responsible for curve but what influences face and path it seems to me you don’t really know.
I think there’s a few on here in desperate need of a blow job. My oh my.
Asher AoA manages swing plane, the more you are hitting down on an iron the more you have to swing the left. this applies to when you are hitting up as well, the more you are hitting up on the ball the more you have to swing to the right. Increasing your angle of attack can help you get an outward path which is needed for that draw, but it does not have to do that. The majority of slicers have really steep attack angles and they also have paths that are 5-10 degrees to the left.
Ivan,
All I was saying was in the case of a pro like Petterson his angle of attack can help him hit a slight draw despite what would appear to be a slightly over the top move on 2-D video.
I understand that you can hit significantly down and still slice the ball…
Looking forward to chatting more…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4sT7CXR8WQ
I was going to attempt to explain it but this video is does a much better job explaining the physics of the striking the ball while it is on the ground vs on the tee
I agree…Trackman cannot replace video and an instructor that understands the movements of the body. There are things that Trackman can measure that just can’t be seen on 2-D video. At the same time improvement doesn’t have to measured in numbers but by the quality of the strike and the score. What’s more important is that students understand the ball flight laws, and from there can be taught with video. For years video has shown that with the proper lag and forward shaft lean the clubface of many top players is slightly open at impact. For years this baffled me until I learned that you hit a draw with a slightly open face.
Trackman can shoot out some amazing numbers but unless an instructor has a well trained eye and understanding of what causes actions and reactions in the motion of a golf swing all it does is tell you there there’s a problem without telling you how to fix it.
I think it’s good for initial “diagnosis” and then confirmation that the changes implemented have worked, but to sit in a chair and just start spewing numbers to a student is just an incomplete golf lesson.